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December 19, 2008

Sue Dent talks “Forever Richard”

Sue Dent

Vampires and werewolves aren’t the typical fare for readers of Christian fiction but novelist Sue Dent continues to break down established conventions with the upcoming release of Forever Richard,which will be released on January 5th, 2009.

Sue Dent’s intended audience for Forever Richard and its predecessor Never Ceese was the general market but because of her beliefs, naturally it was written from a worldview respectful of Christian values. And, Christian readers have overwhelmingly embraced it.

I (Jake Chism) recently caught up with the author and she was gracious enough to answer some of my questions.  Her responses are very thought provoking and even potentially controversial.

Enjoy!

 

 

TCM: First, we’d like to thank you for taking the time to answer some of our questions.

Sue Dent: You’re welcome Jake and thank you for asking. It’s always nice to be recognized on sites specifically designed for Christian readers especially since Christian readers have shown so much support for my work so far.

TCM: Fans of your debut novel, Never Ceese, have anxiously been awaiting the upcoming sequel, Forever Richard. How would you describe these novels to those who may not be familiar with your work?

SD: What? You mean there are those who aren’t familiar with my work? Oh my!

Well, my debut novel Never Ceese and its sequel Forever Richard contain horror elements, vampires and werewolves, therefore it can be classified and viewed as horror.

Both have received resounding reviews from the British Fantasy Society so they can both be classified as fantasy as well.

Some have gone a step further and have applied the label Christian fiction to my stories, obviously because of the redemption theme throughout, a nice little bonus since I “are” one.

Both Richard the vampire and Ceese the werewolf struggle with what they’ve become and what they believe they want to be once more. They join forces, though rather reluctantly, to try to find a way to escape their cursed existence. I absolutely love the observation award-winning horror writer W. D. Gagliani, author of Wolf’s Trap, made in his review,

“. . .Can a persnickety vampire and an uncouth werewolf share an English castle without driving each other crazy?” (Cue pipe organ version of The Odd Couple theme.)”

This does point to the humorous elements in the story but there is clearly enough horror to keep lovers of this genre interested. After all, Never Ceese was short-listed for a Bram Stoker Award in 2007 for Superior Achievement in a First Novel.

Forever Richard continues the saga and a bit more “horrific” if you will. I’ve got such a varied audience reading now. It will be interesting to see what they think of book two. So far so good. Maryann Boo of The British Fantasy Society found Forever Richard “Insightful and thought provoking. Well worth the wait!”

TCM: Where did the idea for this series come from? Have you always been a fan of the werewolf and vampire mythology?

SD: Well I have always loved stories concerning vampire and werewolf lore and while all the stories I’d toyed with in the past were speculative, none dealt with either of these two horror elements. I remembered sitting in front of my computer the day I decided on the story—I cast all my other writing ventures aside and started something new and fresh. To me, that’s the most exciting part of writing, preparing to add someone to your family, getting to know them, getting to shape them.

I was very nervous writing about such things though. I was raised Southern Baptist (my granddaddy was a preacher, and now my brother has followed in his footsteps) and remember the “look” I’d get when I was young and would talk about vampires and werewolves. I never thought I was doing anything evil but I’d no desire to disappoint my elders whose expressions seemed to infer otherwise.

So, instead of talking about them, I secretly wrote about my two favorite horror icons and hid those writings in a small space beneath the built-in record player of our console television. There was a hole underneath the turntable.

Search local junkyards here in Mississippi, you may find my writings!

TCM: Forever Richard hits stores on January 5th and the first printing is almost sold out from pre-orders alone. What has the advanced reaction from fans and critics been like overall?

SD: It seems that the advanced reaction is that everyone is ready for the next book. Reactions I’ve seen in response to the official release date include comments like, “yes, finally!” and “I can’t wait to sink my teeth into Forever Richard.” Overall response has been overwhelmingly positive.

TCM: I know your road to publication has certainly not been an easy one. What kind of resistance, if any, did you face from CBA publishers when you were trying to get Never Ceese published? What has it been like to work with The Writers’ Café Press?

SD: After hearing horror stories from other writers, I’d have to say my road was blessed. I knew I wanted a traditional publisher so I investigated the best way to secure one. I finished my MS, searched for and later hired a professional editor; l then began submitting.

I searched for small publishers that took electronic submissions at writersmarket.com. I solicited general market publishers and Christian publishers. WritersMarket.com has a specific category for Christian publishers, if they choose to list there, and since my story dealt with redemption, I submitted to them as well.

Soon after, I had a response from someone intrigued by my story—a Christian publisher at that. Keep in mind they were not CBA/ ECPA affiliated. Those publishers required agents or at least all the ones I saw on WritersMarket.com did. So while I would’ve liked to have submitted to them because they were Christian, I didn’t.

I knew from the beginning I’d need to start with a small publisher. Big publishers aren’t interested in any author unless they’ve sold enough to make it worth the publisher’s while. That’s just good business.

By the end of the year, the intrigued publisher and I signed a contract for a hardback edition of Never Ceese and rights to its sequel. (The sequel rights is a whole other drama in itself J).

So, I can’t say that I had any real resistance from the CBA/ ECPA group. I had no contact with them, indeed, wasn’t aware of the organizations until I began searching for someone to publish Forever Richard.

I remembered thinking how easy it should be for me to get one interested. Their readers and even some of their established authors encouraged me to submit. I can not tell you how absolutely stunned I was when all the affiliated publishers, who this time volunteered to talk to me without an agent, turned me down flat. “Our market doesn’t want to read about vampires and werewolves,” they said.

One of those who claimed their market wasn’t ready, and that my MS wasn’t a good fit for their house, was Thomas Nelson. That was less than a year ago when, as I understand it now, two vampire-type novels were already in the works.

Understanding the demographic CBA and ECPA serve is one thing. It does seem affiliated publishers could be clearer on what they want (and don’t want) to see from submitting authors.

The Writers Café Press has been wonderful. It’s not often you find a publisher who knows and understands the overall market so well. They produce Biblical and Christian as well as “Christian-friendly” speculative fiction that has vast crossover appeal (yes, TWCP has specific definitions for “Christian fiction”). And they’re a traditional press so everything is in place to get in all brick and mortar bookstores, if the physical bookstores perceive a need for the book—ahem—hint, hint.

TCM: CBA publishers have traditionally distanced themselves from stories involving dark subject matter like werewolves and vampires, it seems like the climate may be changing. Why do you think this is?

SD: And CBA-affiliated publishers will always distance themselves from stories that involve dark subject matter like werewolves and vampires. Why would they not? According to them, their market doesn’t want to read this type story and isn’t ready for it. I’m aware of a couple of books these publishers have put out in recent times, that make the climate look as though it might be changing. But well, put lipstick on a pig and . . . you get the idea.

Neither CBA nor ECPA think my work will fly in their market. I’m hard-pressed to comment on their climate change or lack thereof. It doesn’t seem to bother their readers that I’m not CBA or ECPA affiliated so “I’ve got that going for me.”

TCM: You’ve stated that you never expected the overwhelming response you have received from Christian readers and reviewers. Why has this surprised you so much?

SD: I suppose I should’ve been clearer myself and specified. I meant Christian readers and reviewers who enjoy CBA and ECPA fiction. And yes, I’m very surprised this group enjoys my work. After all, according to their own publishers, they shouldn’t have given Never Ceese a second glance. I’m so glad they did though.

TCM: There are authors who would gladly embrace the label of “Christian Fiction Author”, yet there are those who would rather be known simply as Christians who write fiction. In your mind, what is the difference and which do you consider yourself to be?

SD: The label Christian Fiction can mean so many things to so many people. What is Christian? Who is Christian? Be more specific for Heaven’s sake! I write for the general market but am respectful of Christian values (Christian as I believe Christian to be) but I may never mention those values directly. Therefore, I prefer to say I’m a writer who is a Christian and even that requires explaining. Good grief!

TCM: What other projects do you have in the works? How many books are you contracted for with TWCP?

SD: Well it seems Richard and Ceese will be around for a bit. Their story just keeps growing. I’m eager to get two other books out there though. I may try to work on some simultaneously. All books are speculative in nature and “real” good, of course. LOL

As to how many books I’ve contracted to write with TWCP, the number would be five. I suspect I’ll write way more with them though as I like them. TWCP did state that if anyone wants to buy up said contract for that Rowling multi-digit price tag . . . awwww, I’m just kidding. They have my heart and I’m here to stay. Like I used to say as a kid, “if you don’t believe me, hide and watch.”

TCM: When did you know you wanted to be a novelist? What drives you as a storyteller?

SD: Okay, I’m like this volcano ready to explode. I’ve got all these ideas and storylines and plotlines and they just won’t stop. And this started early on. I don’t remember what age I was but I think during Junior High School or middle-school, as it’s called now.

I’d rush home everyday to watch Bonanza. I’d scour the TV guide every week to find out which episode was on. If it was one where a main character faced a personal trauma, I’d really hoof it (yes, I walked home from school. No, we didn’t live that far away so I’ll spare you the drama.)

Afterwards, I’d go out in my backyard and pace and think up all manner of stories that would place me at the Ponderosa with Lil’ Joe, Hoss and Adam (Adam was my favorite and ironically the only one still alive. No. I’m not suggesting I did anyone in).

I suppose it was all part of the creative process for me, though initially I expressed my creativity through fine arts, drawing, painting, you name it. In college it turned into writing because some professors can be quite boring.

TCM: What other writers have inspired you the most in your own writing? What are you currently reading?

SD:  John Grisham is a big inspiration to me. I absolutely hated legal thrillers before I read him and by the way, he’s an author who is a Christian. I couldn’t get enough of Roger Zelazny either, Georgette Heyer, Phillip Jose Farmer. For a while, I read a lot of sci-fi/ fantasy. I never read much horror. It scared me. LOL

TCM: What has been the most challenging part of your journey as a writer? What has been the most rewarding?

SD: My biggest challenge has to be learning something new and different. But since I enjoy learning I suppose even that wasn’t all that much of a challenge. Oh, and I’m still learning.

Something quite rewarding happened to me just the other day. On a mainstream site, designed to be slightly tongue-in-cheek, Never Ceese was mentioned.

How is that rewarding you ask?

As my publishers put it, it’s sort of like being asked to be roasted by Robin Williams; you are excited and honored at the same time as being apprehensive.

My book—my debut novel that I’m still basically selling out of the back of my van somehow warranted enough consideration and attention to be listed with books along the line of Lord of the Rings. Yes, I’m honored (or so my publisher and my publicist say I should be). Go see for yourself. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItBurns. Now that’s cool!

TCM: Where can people go online to find out more about you and your novels?

SD: Here are the main three sites. www.thewriterscafe.com,  www.foreverrichard.comwww.shoutlife.com/suedent

Shoutlife.com is also the official book launch site for Forever Richard playing host to over 100,000 members and growing. I spend a lot of time here myself. Their members are absolutely wonderful too. Talented and award winning artist E.J. Mickels II, also found at Shoutlife, volunteered to put together the promotional cover for Forever Richard, helping me get the word out that Never Ceese’s sequel was indeed on its way. Do check out the rest of his work when you visit.

Part-owner Steve McLellan graces the official cover as Richard and does a fine job of it, I must say. Steve, Laurie Froehlingsdorf and her husband Hauns have done an outstanding job creating a family friendly social network.

A reminder is needed here to let all readers now that any copy of Forever Richard ordered through The Writers Café Press will be autographed. If you want to buy online you may also go to Barnes & Noble, Amazon, etc. This would probably be the best way to do it because, as I am told by TWCP, it looks like the book’s first printing will sell out in preorders—and it may be a longer time before it actually makes it to bookstore shelves; they are watching the numbers closely.

Here is all the information you’ll need to provide to your bookstore, besides the title and author: ISBN 978-1-934284-03-2

Sadly, though many of my readers are from the market CBA and ECPA serve, neither Never Ceese nor Forever Richard will be in affiliated Christian bookstores, not even at affiliated Christian bookstores on-line. If it follows the trend of most non-affiliated books that appeal to this specific market, eventually both will show up but only after sales show that it’s worth considering.

TCM: Any final thoughts?

SD: My final thought would be a special thank-you to all my readers. I couldn’t do it without you and I wouldn’t even try. I love that you love my work.

I would like to make this point: I’m not the first author to write a Christian vampire/ werewolf novel as so many have claimed. Apparently, I’m just the first and only one to date who has written one so close to lore that also appeals to CBA and ECPA market readers. Alas, I’ll never be recognized for this  accomplishment at any CBA or ECPA award ceremony because I’m not affiliated.

But you enjoy my books—and that’s all the thanks I need.

And you’re very welcome. ;)






23 Comments


  1. Both Never Ceese and Forever Richard and my newest release Electric Angel, to be turned into a Graphic Novel, are available at http://www.blackbedsheet.goshopper.net As the interviewer states, this interview is indeed controversial given the current state of hmm . . . “Christian” publishing and you should read it to garnish some of the facts. You may also visit my site at http://www.SueDent.net for more of the facts.


  2. chrisd

    Thank you for posting the interview with Sue Dent. Not only is she published by a small, independent publisher, she’s also writing something that is definitely not your standard Christian fiction!


  3. M. L. Archer

    What a fantastic interview! I’m so glad you all invited Sue Dent over. Her novel is fantastic and…I might as well say it, I hope this is sign that so called Christian publishers are lightening up a bit. I know, I know there are reasons and standards, etc…yet you haven’t lived until you’ve read CBA writers poo-pooing because some other writers “just aren’t Christian enough…”

    I hear things like that and the term ‘whited-sepuchres’ comes to mind.

    I mean, Amish Romances are NOT everyones cup of tea. Put a rating systems in place so no one is surprised by a book, do what you need to do, but I think Christians publishers need to stop acting as if they KNOW God did not inspire a certain work and have enough faith in their brothers and sisters to let them decide things for themselves.

    And if you don’t then you’ll keep missing out on some excellent fiction…case in point: Never Ceese.


  4. moniqi

    A lot of people seem to be talking about Sue Dent’s books so I’m going to check out a few.


    • Let me give you the links Moniqi: http://blackbedsheet.goshopper.net/i/226967/electric-angel.htm This is the latest from me and my new publisher Black Bed Sheet Books. I’m presently working with Bob Luedke of HeadPress Publishing to turn it into a Graphic Novel. While you’re at my publisher’s site do check out the video about the book. It’s really kewl! Never Ceese and Forever Richard are there as well, the first two installments of my Thirsting for Blood Series. If you buy either one make sure you buy the ones published by Black Bed Sheet Books. I make nothing off the sale of the others out there. Also, I don’t write for any specific market however my faith values keep me from writing anything that would offend most anyone. So there you have it. ;) You can get autographed copies from my site.


  5. I’ve had two fans I know of attempting to post here. I’m not sure what’s going on but if you’ve posted something and it doesn’t show up soon please contact me at suedent@neverceese.com I’m sure they’ll be up soon though.


    • I POSTED A COMMENT AND THEN IT DISAPPEARED. WHAT GIVES?

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  6. michele

    I’ll just try mine again.

    What a fantastic interview! I’m so glad you all invited Sue Dent over. Her novel is fantastic and…I might as well say it, I hope this is sign that so called Christian publishers are lightening up a bit. I know, I know there are reasons and standards, etc…yet you haven’t lived until you’ve read CBA writers poo-pooing because some other writers “just aren’t Christian enough…”

    I hear things like that and the term ‘whited-sepuchres’ comes to mind.

    I mean, Amish Romances are NOT everyones cup of tea. Put a rating systems in place so no one is surprised by a book, do what you need to do, but I think Christians publishers need to stop acting as if they KNOW God did not inspire a certain work and have enough faith in their brothers and sisters to let them decide things for themselves.

    And if you don’t then you’ll keep missing out on some excellent fiction…case in point: Never Ceese.


    • You know what Michele, I was on a family friendly social network once where a CBA published author asked how folks liked Amish fiction. One comment from one reader was so profound that I almost had to frame it as it was clear that at least the readers were getting it. They said this: “I love to read Amish fiction. Only I like it to be about the Amish and not how they relate to evangelicals.” LOL Classic!


  7. Mike Olmsted

    This is great! Sue Dent is a super writer. I’m seventeen and the last time I read an ‘official’ ‘Christian novel’ I was twelve and it was so boring I haven’t read another since. Okay, except for Pilgrims Progress, and The Calling of Mike Malone, but neither of those are CBA approved.

    But I HAVE read Sue Dent novels!

    Here’s what I think the problem is and why Christian publishers don’t have any better writers than they do. Most of the Christian publishers make books for the status quo. You put out nice little romances for grandmas and teen age girls. Once in awhile you’ll have someone decent come along like Ted Dekker, but I’ve noticed his work is sounding like someone had a “talk” with him. You write to keep nice Christians happy and nice.

    But then there’s writers who want to actually attract people to the kingdom. They’re the ones that risk getting called gluttonous wine-bibbers because they go out in the trenches looking for the words that will grab the attention of someone wandering in the dark. People like Sue Dent.

    You ought to welcome her works. After all we weren’t called to make the status quo feel secure.

    Great interview, Sue!


    • You rawk Mike! And Dekker knows what side his bread is buttered on. And actually, he likes to write like that. It seems to be working for him. But like my Pagen friend below, I don’t like preaching to the choir or being preached at. I just love to write. ;)


    • Oh and Mike, “Christian” authors (I know, I have to use quotes) actually write for a very conservative evangelical market. Like any author in that position they’ve no desire to write for anyone else. Most don’t even know how to and that’s fine. Target markets are great. They just don’t usually grow as fast but their usually a solid market as they don’t shrink much either. Problem is that broad label Christian that they use. By definition it’s an umbrella term that encompasses many denominations or faiths. Sadly, most don’t realize this doesn’t apply in publishing until they get burned reading a book they NEVER would’ve picked up if they’d known who it was targeted for. EGADS!!!!


  8. michele

    What a fantastic interview! I’m so glad you all invited Sue Dent over.

    I hope everyone reads her book!

    And if you don’t then you’ll keep missing out on some excellent fiction…case in point: Never Ceese.


  9. I’ll be honest – I generally shy away from books labeled as “Christian Fiction”. Why? Because I don’t want to be preached at, I’m not interested in romance, and I have my own spiritual path that is fulfilling to me. However, Sue Dent is a wonderful person, and while her books may not fit the “standard” definition of Christian Fiction, I think that definition needs to change – paranormal creatures have as much right to the themes of redemption as anyone, and not offering these sorts of works, to me, simply equals shooting oneself in the foot. If the overall theme of the book fits the ideals, and they are “clean” enough, there is no reason to refuse them simply because they include vampires and werewolves. While I am aware this is an old interview, the ideas still stand, and I am thankful you chose to stand on your own and post this one.


  10. cynmacmor

    As one of Sue Dent’s long time fans and someone who was blessed to have seen Forever Richard before publication, I was very happy to see that her interview here at TCM has once again surfaced! (Thanks to the wonders of Face Book.)

    As with many other authors who are Christian but are called to write exciting fiction outside of the strict limitations of the “mainstream” Christian publishers, Sue has had to hoe a hard row with her incredible fiction. Yes, her talent stands for itself. Yes, she has a loyal following of many readers both here in N.A. and in Europe. But unlike so many who have had the definite advantage of being publicized by the many sites promoting Christian fiction, she and other wonderful authors have been shunned by these venues. Because of this, I thank TCM for publishing this informative interview! Well done!


    • My favorite line from the King’s Speech: “I have a voice!” You may never hear me but I will never stop talking. It’s been so disappointing that the Baptist started out calling the targeted fiction their publishers produced for their Baptist Book Store readers by such a broad label as Christian. What a God awful mess!! Still love you Cynthia. You and Frank Creed and Caprice Hokstad, and Kimberly Brouillette made Forever Richard what it is. Appreciate y’all.


  11. [...] deeply disturbing. Now all you scallywags who’ve read this, jump over to my interview at http://thechristianmanifesto.com/archives/3602#comments and speak your mind. This interview was done three years ago. As grand as it was then, it was moved [...]


  12. Great article, Sue, and I appreciated the phone conversations we had about a year or so ago. As I now have three thriller/horror novels out – each with that “redemptive theme” as you coin it – I can attest firsthand to the struggles you’ve endured with the “Christian” market. Seems my material has been labeled “too secular for the general Christian market and too Christian for the secular realm.”

    Thanks, Sue, for being a pioneer in the cutting edge/redemptive theme genre.

    As iron sharpens iron…

    Teric Darken


  13. Would like to add: I personally do not discriminate between “secular” and “Christian” markets. A book market is a book market; fiction is fiction; horror is horror,etc…

    I author thriller/horror books (which include a redemptive theme), and beyond that, I don’t classify my work as anything else. Others have placed subsequent labels on my material.

    I am merely utilizing the terms “secular” and “Christian” in the context of what others have said pertaining to my novels.

    All that to say that I know my friend, Sue, finds the industry labels “secular” and “Christian” unsavory, so I wanted to clarify my POV.

    Rock on, Sue.

    Teric Darken


    • LOL at Teric. Yeah, they try to label my work that also and I say, “nay, nay!” And most of them stop straight away. Because my fans soooooo rawk!!


      • Oh and if I’m a forerunner in anything it’s in helping to stop the abuse of the label Christian. It’s a broad label and was never intended to “mark” any one group. Yet even that’s fine if folks want to use the label to describe what their business is etc . . . What’s not fine is when an organization or affiliation or association strips the label of it’s original meaning and demonizes anyone who suggest it ever meant anything else. And on a grand scale at that.

        Also, my books may NEVER have a redemptive theme and most of them won’t. Just so happened that my vampire/werewolf story did. And it happened to be a bit on the “evangelical” side. So I’ve got that going for me. HA.



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